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1 But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their indecent behavior, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep..
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Wednesday, January 1, 2014

Comments Which Conservatives Block from Their Blogs For Jan 1, 2014


This is a new category of posts. It is dedicated to those conservative blogs that have blocked my comments for various reasons. IMO, they have blocked my comments because they don't want their readers reading my criticisms of their conservatism. It is for those blogs that I am creating this new kind of post. This post will be posted on Wednesdays.

Finally, since comments are not edited as well as blogposts, please excuse the grammatical errors that will occur more often with the comments.



Dec 20


To Joe Carter and his blogpost on Duck Dynasty's star being fired for comments about homosexuality in the Gospel Coalition Blog

Part of the problem here is a pendulum swing, homosexuality use to be a crime, and part of it is that we don't know how to respectfully oppose homosexuality in a public forum. During an email discussion at work, a colleague called for either me to apologize for saying homosexuality was wrong or for the school to fire me. There was no threat to my job because I stated my views showing respect to homosexuals as equals and that is how the administration saw it as well as my colleagues who disagreed with me. 



I don't think we can respectfully oppose homosexuality while comparing it to bestiality or other gross sins. It is comparable to adultery and fornication, however. And in comparing it with adultery and fornication, we can speak to homosexuals as equals not because we have engaged in those sins, but because many of us have been tempted to engage in them.
In addition, we cannot respectfully oppose homosexuality by opposing same-sex marriage out of fear that its legalization will normalize homosexuality. Should we oppose freedom of religion because it normalizes other faiths besides Christianity? And how do we deal with that kind of normalization? See, we cannot respectfully oppose homosexuality if we insist that society stigmatizes gays. That is to have society treat gays as less than heterosexuals. 

If we want to publicly oppose homosexuality while minimizing society's scorn, we need to speak to gays respectfully and as equals realizing that past Christians have made gays victims of injustice. 

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It seems that the interview was an attempt at damage control. In paragraph 56 of his Apostolic Exhortation, the Pope wrote the following:

This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control.


There is no way to get around the meaning of what the Pope wrote. The problems which the Pope has observed are due to "the autonomy of the marketplace" and the rejection of the right states to hold the marketplace accountable. But the participants in this interview seem to deny both of these points as well assert that it only the marketplace that can correct the errors. Perhaps we could call this approach, "Marketplace Utopia"

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Dec 31



To Marc Vander Maas's comment on Joe Carter's blogpost on minimum wage and family values

I should note here that Acton has just begun to publish my comments again. But the publishing of my comments has sometimes been delayed so what is written below might still appear but is so far blocked. I wanted the comment below to be published especially because of the 2nd to last paragraph. That paragraph is crucial in understanding the differences between some political-economic conservatives and myself.

Marc,
I read a number of conservative sources including this blog. And they are consistent in saying that the raising of the minimum wage results in the drop in employment rates. 

But I haven't read a conservative who publicly writes about this saying that raising the minimum wage will result in a drop in the employment rate under the current conditions. The conservatives I have read and heard universally declare that employment rates are inversely related to the minimum wage and thus if we raise the minimum wage, we will put more people out of work. It is from that that the connection which the conservatives I read and hear make between minimum wage and employment rates sounds like exploitation or blackmail. And perhaps those who belong to the working poor see that connection in the same way I do. I know that the ones with whom I marched with on Dec. 5th feel that way and their experiences, feelings, and views are often ignored in these discussions.

Also, the only conservative I know who favors raising the minimum wage believes that such a raise should depend on the living expenses of the region so that it should be regionally based--something I agree with. In fact, I believe I even mentioned this, or tried to, before. This conservative doesn't write on the blogs or uses a public podium to express his views. But he is both a business owner and a good personal friend and we debate economics all of the time. 

Now if there are conservatives who publicly support the raising of the minimum wage whom I don't know about, cite them. That would be a useful and appreciated correction.  For the observations I have made about conservatives here are based on exposure. The ones to whom I have had access warn against raising the minimum wage because of the consequences they foresee. Unfortunately, these same conservatives say little about the current drawbacks of keeping the minimum wage where it is.

Finally, I believe that the real crux of our disagreement has to do the belief held by many, but not all, conservatives, that individual liberty is the only liberty. Such a view sees democracy as being one of several threats to liberty. So when I write that we should listen to the facts on the ground, I am writing from a perspective that says that we should use democratic mechanisms and procedures to both listen and respond. This allows for more stakeholder participation in the governing of our economy. So I agree with you when you write that Hunter Baker approaches listening to the facts on the ground from a different perspective. And I strongly disagree with him on whether raising the minimum wage is a family value. 

And Marc, thank  you for responding.




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Tuesday, December 31, 2013

Closing The Year Of 2013

The first item at hand is to pick the person of the year. So Time Magazine picked the Pope and there was some merit to doing so. The Pope was taking moral stands that seemed to have refreshed the Church. In addition, the Pope is personally ministering to the poor. And after the award, the Pope gave an excellent analysis of our current global economy--this statement, however, does not support his solutions.

But we should also note that the Pope takes such stands from a place safety and security and often receives a good amount of applause for doing so. This blog's pick for person of the year is Nadya Tolokonnikova from the Russian oppositional artist group that performed in Christ The Savior Cathedral in Moscow in 2012. Why? Because, for most of the year, she was taking moral stands as a prisoner and thus from a position of vulnerability where doing so invited threats and more punishment rather than esteem and applause. And what should be noted here is that this selection is despite the fact that the political views of this blog could very well be opposed to some of Tolokonnikova's political views. However, the moral stands she continues to take is to oppose the Orthodox Church's opportunistic ties to the Putin tyrannical government as well as the severe abuse of prisoners practiced in Russia. Her protest included a hunger strike. So what Christians in America are displaying her kind of courage and conviction?

In addition, every American should reflect on a quote of hers. That quote says (click here for the source):
People whose conscience cannot be bought is probably the most precious thing in this world.

Now of course when we think of consciences being bought, we think about others. Here, we tend to focus on corrupt politicians and business people. But shouldn't we also think about ourselves as well? How about those of use who neither protest against the status quo nor want the current economic system to change because we are doing well? And how about churches that only preach against personal sins but refuse to preach against the current economic system lest some members be offended and either give less or leave. It isn't just those at the top whose ethics and morals can be put up for sale, it is all of us. And one way we show that our consciences have been paid for is when refuse to confront evil whether it is practiced by individuals or by systems because of the consequences such preaching brings to ourselves. Where we are quiet in the face of sin for our own benefit, especially when that sin hurts the lives of others, we show that our consciences are for sale.

In addition, we American Christians must ask ourselves why a person like Tolokonnikova, who gives all of the appearances of being a nonbeliever, can muster and exhibit more courage than us people of faith can. Perhaps we have sold our souls to being comfortable as we use God's grace to rationalize our lack of involvement.

Rather than speaking out against injustices, it seems that too many Conservative American Christians prefer to live vicariously through the trials of celebrity Christians. Thus, many Conservative American Christians felt persecuted when Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson was suspended for his comments about gays and Blacks and felt vindicated when he was reinstated. What this blog wants to focus on here is the temporary feeling of vicarious persecution many experienced.

Regarding Robertson's statements about Blacks, we should read a blogpost on the Political Jesus blog to gain an enlightening perspective (click here to read the post). What Robertson did with his statement about gays was similar to what Dan Cathy of Chick-fil-A did; he piled on (click here for Cathy's statements). Instead of being content with just calling homosexuality sin, as Dan Cathy portrayed gays as possible scapegoats should God judge America, Robertson associated bestiality with homosexuality by listing them together. Had he been the only Christian to do so, that might not have been a big deal. But too many Christians have made such an association by listing these two sins together that goes beyond calling homosexuality sin to stigmatizing gays in society. When we try to get a society to stigmatize a group, we are trying to persecute and punish that group.

This idea of trying to influence society to punish gays for their sexual relations even though some of their practices are shared by heterosexual couples refutes any claim of treating gays as equals.  And it is this association of calling homosexuality sin with punishing gays by stigmatizing them and promoting inequality that could result in a pendulum swing where the law no longer permits us to call homosexuality sin. In addition, for Christians to feel that Robertson's free speech or religion was violated by A&E's suspension is to show a severe myopia. To many of us take for granted the suffering and persecution we have caused gays while claiming to be martyrs when there is any push back. And all one must do to check this claim is to examine the history of how gays have been treated in this country by those claiming to be Christians.

But there is another problem illustrated by Robertson's comments. That problem is one of being content with limited exposure and ignorance. One of the reasons why Robertson said what he did about gays and about Blacks was because he has a very limited, if any, exposure to their perspectives. And though that is not good, it isn't the worst. What is the biggest problem here is that he is content with that limited exposure as if the world needs to listen to him but he doesn't need to listen to the world. And what makes this problem even more damaging is that Robertson personifies much of the Conservative Christian Church in America. If we Christian Conservatives wish to really improve our sharing of the Gospel, we need to listen to others as we would have them listen to ourselves. Our lack of curiosity regarding other perspectives have made us both dull and proud. The result is that we offend those to whom we are preaching for all of the wrong reasons.

Finally, a word of correction must be said to my brothers and sisters in the Occupy Movement. This word has been stated before on this blog but it certainly doesn't hurt to repeat it. It is obvious that the upper x%, where x can equal any number between 1 and 10, lives in one economic world while the rest of us live in another economic world. These different worlds produce an economic separation between the upper x% and the rest. And we should note that another word for separation is apartheid. Thus we should realize that we live in a world of economic apartheid.

What we did wrong in pointing this status quo out to the rest of the people is that we scapegoated the upper x% and thus we put them on the natural defensive. We need to change so that while we don't compromise on our analysis that we live in an economic apartheid, we change our words so that we implore the upper x% to join the rest of us rather than the upper x% the whipping boy. If we can make such a change, we might find more and more people who are willing to challenge the upper x% to join as well.






Monday, December 30, 2013

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