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1 But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their indecent behavior, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep..
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Wednesday, October 19, 2016

Comments Which Conservatives Block From Their Blogs For October 19, 2016

Oct 5

To Jordan Ballor and his blogpost claim that Christianity is the friend of liberalism. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition website.

Two observations must be used to assess the analysis in the article above. The first observation seems to challenge Siedentop's view that the modernity emerged from the battles between the popes and  kings. And so when Siedentop writes:

The conception of society as founded on ‘natural inequality’ was giving way to a conception of society as founded on ‘moral equality,’ as an association of individuals rather than an association of families.

we should note that the emergence Rome over and apart from European kingdoms did not bring in a moral equality, it ushered in a new basis for inequality. So what replaced the 'natural inequality' was a spiritual inequality or a spiritual association rather than an association of families. Much of Western history shows an assumption of supremacy and thus rule is based on the faith of a predominant group. Persecution of those from the different branches of the Church, let alone persecution and conquest over those from other faiths, give ample evidence against the idea that the emergence of any subset of the Church from kingdoms introduced a moral equality. In addition, other associations were also in play such as association of race and economic class. We really never have achieved a true moral equality either here or in other Western nations.

As for the relationship between Christianity and liberalism, the Church's intramural wars between Protestants and Catholics or between different branches of Protestantism were not cured, for the most part, by leaving the Church to its own devices. Rather, secular liberalism and, in some places, the necessity of the times caused the introduction of moral equality in the Church. Without liberalism and, to a lesser extent, necessity, we might still resemble what we see in warring factions of Islam today.

All too often, we take for granted what people say they want for all without judging it by how they treat those who are different. And it seems that this article is merely another attempt to establish Christianity's supremacy in the West perhaps in an effort to preserve as much of the old status quo as possible. We should note that one cannot believe in such a supremacy and moral equality at the same time.

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Oct 14

To Bruce Ashford and his blogpost on how Christians should respond to our loss of privilege and power in society. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition website.

It seems that Ashford prefers that force our ways onto people through a tyranny of the majority rather than through a strong-arm tyrant. And that is our problem. We are looking to rule over others rather than to share power with them. And thus, we make it more and more difficult to see why more and more people are rejecting Christianity. Are they rejecting it because of the Gospel message or is it because we are attempting to lord it over others?

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To Joe Carter and the Dennis Prager video that was part of his blogpost on the size of government being used to define the Left and the Right. This appeared in the Acton blog.

It seems that in explaining the differences between the left and the right, there seems to be no limit on over simplification for some. And that is what we have in the above video. There are only two ideological positions, according to the video, and all results can be deductively arrived at by using single criteria definitions to define the two positions. In one corner, the Right believes in the most limited government possible while the Left believes in an ever increasing growth in government size and power. And never the twain shall meet.

But history begs to differ and that is always the problem for those who want to define reality exclusively by deductive reasoning. For example, Socialism is always categorized by those on the Right as being the same as big government. But Libertarian Socialism does not believe in the state. So where is Libertarian Socialism in the model of thought presented in the video? Where is anarchism, which is also on the side of the Left, in the model of thought presented by the video?

In addition, the difference between liberalism and the much of the Socialism from the Left is not over the size of government, but who has power both in the government and in the workplace. Liberalism promotes elite-centered rule where elites dictate what is good for the rest. In much of Socialism from the Left, especially from the Marxist viewpoint, it is the workers who should have the bulk of power both in the government and the workplace. And thus, big government alone does not constitute the Left. We can have both small or big government under the Left. But control over that government must be more in the hands of the workers than under the control of elites.

IN addition, an error that is suggested, if not implied, by what was said in the video above is that power and government authority are one and the same. Anyone who has studied power in the business or government setting knows that having power is not the same has having authority. Martin Luther King Jr. had a tremendous amount of political power while he was focusing on racial inequality while holding no governmental position. In addition, we could consult the labor history in the US to note how private businesses and their owners had tremendous power and could harm a great number of people without government assistance. In fact, it was the combination of workers protesting and government finally listening that curtailed many of the abuses that occurred in and out of the workplace.

Yes, the government has the power of force through either local and federal law enforcement or the military; but such was established by God according to the Scriptures (Romans 13). So why would Christians, like myself or many who are associated with the Acton Institute, want to side with him on this point?

In addition, since the military is part of the government, the bigger our military, the bigger our government--or so the above logic would state. But there is a disconnect for Prager here. Big government must be opposed only when the non military side of the government grows. Why? Because the size of our military depends on the number of our enemies. But why doesn't that logic apply to the other parts of our government? After all, isn't it true that some businesses can act as enemies of the people as part of their pursuit of profits? Applying the same logic that is used to determine the size of our military, shouldn't the government be big enough to handle any businesses that would act as a threat to the people?

In addition, what if those from the private sector, like churches, private charities, communities, and families do not want to take adequate care of those in need? Shouldn't the size of the government depend on how many people are in need? In addition, shouldn't the government represent those who are in need as much as it represents business people and others? Therefore, shouldn't the amount of help offered by the government reflect that representation?

Government is like love, size doesn't matter, fidelity does. A small, impotent government provides as much protection for its people as a large, corrupt government. That is because the power that is absent in a small government does not disappear, it finds its resting place in the private sector. And thus, the question becomes this: do we want private sector elites to possess the power that is absent in a small government or do we want to distribute power democratically by having workers and others share power with elite-wannabes? History shows that the consolidation of power is dangerous. That is a truism whether that consolidation occurs in the private or public sectors. The video above states that the consolidation of power is dangerous only when the government has it.


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Oct 15

To R. Scott Clark and his blogpost video featuring D.G. Hart’s interview on C-Span’s Book TV. This appeared in Heidelblog.

Link to Hart’s interview
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?414716-3/billy-graham-sarah-palin&start=470


There is some very interesting and useful historical information given by Hart here, but he also demonstrated how one's answers to questions can sometimes be greatly determined by what one wants to emphasize.

The definition of what is an evangelical and whether Hart considers himself to be on provides an example of emphasis determining definition and categorization. He defines Evangelicals as though who believe in having a personal relationship with Jesus and having undergone some kind of born again experience. These criteria are rather ambiguous in nature. For if we define these references by saying that an Evangelical is one who believes in Jesus for the forgiveness of one's sins and that one must have personally come to faith in Jesus, then Hart must consider himself to be an Evangelical. My feeling is that Hart doesn't consider himself to be an evangelical because of how his family background stands in contrast with  his current reliance on a confessional faith. But here we should note that the definition of what is an Evangelical is broader than he would like to admit.

I found his distinction between conservatives and Evangelicals to be partially problematic. My conversations with Evangelicals is that they believe that they emphasize The Constitution and the intentions of our nation's founding fathers  as much as they emphasize morality. Part of the problem here lies in the fact that Evangelicals have a religiously inspired mythical view of both The Constitution and the  founding fathers which revolves around an over emphasis on the role of the Christian faith in both the writing of The Constitution and in the lives of the founding fathers.  We should note that non-evangelical political conservatives also seem to hold to a mythical view of The Constitution and its emphasis on individual liberty. For what is missing in the interpretation of many conservatives of the The Constitution is its historical context. That The Constitution was written in response to widespread dissent and Shays Rebellion and its purpose was to create a stronger Federal government that could better respond to insurrections and populism in an effort to protect a status quo that benefited the new American elites, many of whom were involved in writing The Constitution.

Finally, in discussing Evangelicals and politics, I was surprised  by how little significance Hart attributed to the abortion issue. My understanding is that today's Republican Party has, for the most part, taken Evangelicals for granted over the abortion issue.

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Oct 17

To Joe Carter and his blogpost on why evangelicals are so split on whether to vote for Trump. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition.

Certainly, Carter's model of thought has merit. But it isn't the only model of thought we should employ. For without Trump, we still have this nagging binary approach to voting. And though the nomination of Trump has caused great strain on that approach, one of the main reasons for voting for the Republican nominee is the one of the main reasons why many Americans vote for the  Democratic candidates they vote for : they are selecting the not-them candidate. In other words, the reason why many conservatives vote for Republican candidates is because they are not Democratic candidates and vice-versa for nonconservatives. Thus, both evangelicals and many other Americans are voting for the same reason.

Why do we stay fixed on the this binary approach to voting? One reason is that, for multiple reasons, we don't want to or cannot change.  Change requires more energy than normal. In fact, nothing requires energy like change does. And for many, they don't have the energy to put into changing because of multiple reasons.

Another reason for maintaining our voting pattern is because we tend to prefer authoritarianism. And with authoritarianism, sticking to tradition is a primary reason for resisting change. In fact, with authoritarianism, there is a great deal of sensitivity to even hearing about challenges to tradition. That sensitivity causes people to respond with anger and/or in attempts to bully those who are considering breaking with tradition.

Now that authoritarianism can come in two different packages. One package is tailored for individual figures. The other package is made for the group. And the one that is made for the group is a part of tribalism. Tribalism occurs when group loyalty becomes high. Tribalism occurs when group loyalty trumps commitment to principles and morals. And the result of tribalism is the embracing of a moral relativity that says what is right and wrong depends on who does what to whom. That is why many Democrats can criticize Trump for his indiscretions while refusing to hold Bill Clinton to the same standards and vice-versa for many Republicans. With tribalism comes the authoritarianism of the group. The group must not be questioned or there will be wrath and/or bullying to keep people in line.


Those evangelicals who are breaking with Trump to vote for Clinton are still engaging in the same voter approach as many evangelicals, as well as others, who are voting to Trump: they are voting for the lesser of two evils. In fact, evangelicals are no different than many other Americans. They either will not or cannot change from voting for the lesser of two evils, for the not-them candidate. That is the voting tradition that we seem either unwilling or unable to break. And for as long as we continue voting that way, we will be presented with the kind of choices that we have this election year.

Our major political parties know all of this. And so they do not select candidates who are looking to improve things as much as they nominate candidates who qualify as not-them candidates. They give us candidates who are merely different from the candidates from the other party. And such an approach continually sets the bar for the quality of our candidates at a lower and lower level.

In short, we evangelicals are not that different from other Americans in how we vote And it is our inability or refusal to adapt to the new conditions of having a continual choice of horrible candidates provided by our two-party/binary system that is causing our demise. And it is our embracing of authoritarianism, either individual authoritarianism or that which comes with tribalism, that not only prevents us from changing, it makes us see our self-destructive binary approach to voting as a duty to continue. Who would have thought that the land of the free and the home of the brave are actually serving inner tyrants?






Wednesday, February 24, 2016

Comments Which Conservatives Block From Their Blogs For February 24, 2016

Feb 18

To Elliot Clark and his blogpost on suggestions for being or creating 3rd culture Christians where we share the Gospel. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition website.

Suggestions #2,3, & 5 are very good. Suggestion #4 needs to be fleshed out. That leaves suggestion #1 and that needs to be qualified if we don't wish to spread colonialism with the Cross. For much of Church history that follows Constantine's conversion has been about Christian imperialism and colonialism is an important issue. That points to how the Church has throughout most of its history, been corrupted by the actual or potential acquisition of political power. With the corruption of the Church comes a distorted Gospel message. And that corruption continues to occur throughout the world today.


So how should this affect our teaching of Church history? Should we just focus on doctrines or do we include the Church's on-again, off-again love affair with political power? For while Christianity can be easily distinguished from other religions by its doctrine, it becomes one of the gang of those seeking power. And such is our dilemma in what to teach from Church history.

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Feb 20

To Joe Carter and his blogpost on how liberal economists disagree with Sanders' economic plans. This appeared in the Acton blog.


Here is a fact that is overlooked in the article. While Sanders never explains in detail how he is going to finance his promises, he has made one valid point: other nations are doing what he is promising to do here. So whatever "liberal" economists are claiming, the point is that a lot of what Sanders wants done is being accomplished under different conditions than exists here. And since conservatives, like Carter, harp on the fact that a raise in the minimum wage will mean a rise in unemployment without ever asking why, it is our current economic system and its conditions that need as much scrutiny as the promises made by each of the candidates.


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To Jordan Ballor and his blogpost on 5 theses on taking care of the  environment. This appeared in the Acton Blog.


Theses #1-3 are fine. But #4 has problems. Whether our economic stewardship clashes with our environmental stewardship should examined case by case basis. For much of produces profits and economic growth does hurt the environment regardless of whether short-term profit is involved. 


Thesis #5 misses a point. Fossile fuels are a key concern because of what they put back into the environment. Just because the use of nuclear fuel doesn't put back the same emissions that contribute to the build up of greenhouse gases doesn't mean that we can afford to neglect what the use of nuclear fuel does deposit in the enviornment. Perhaps solar and wind technology should be looked to more than nuclear--though doing so would not benefit corporate America as much as the other technologies.

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Feb 22



Free trade advocates forget a couple of things here. First, not everyone is starting from the same point. The industries of some nations' are more developed than others. And one of the reasons why some nations have more developed industries is because those industries were formerly protected by tariffs. So now that they are developed, those nations with the developed industries insist that other nations continue to lag behind them because the other nations cannot use the same method of developing their own industries as were used before. Or in the case of the nations being targeted for tariffs by Trump and Sanders, one nation's industries outcompete their counterparts from other nations because they can cut costs by exploiting workers and the environment This is designed to keep nations in a strict caste system that is governed by those who are calling for their own freedom: business elites. 

This brings up a second problem with free trade. Free trade is not free to the nations that participate in it because they are not allowed to make laws that govern how foreign players from the private sector are treating the people in their nation. What is called economic freedom and free trade is nothing more than the continual reduction of social responsibilities for businesses. And what is deemed as reward for this freedom is the bottom line for those businesses because it is assumed that whatever is good for business, is good for all. 

Analogies are only as good as  their  portrayal of the object is complete. So like statistics, analogies that filter information can be classified as lies. Tariffs have never been viewed as a tax on those purchasing the goods as much as on those producing the goods. And when tariffs allow for nations to develop their own industries, then there comes a tradeoff for the higher prices one must pay today for those tariffed goods. That tradeoff can be more jobs for more people that come from developing industries that can eventually compete with the foreign industries of those nations which must pay tariffs. ANd we know what happens when these local industries begin to flourish. As the supply of goods increases, the prices go down. So to use the venacular here, the "taxes" that the middle and lower class consumers must pay now carry with them the potential for those taxes to self-destruct--as well as the elimination of the economic caste system managed by private sector elites. 

So why is it that Carter did not present this tradeoff or the above mentioned use of tariffs in his analogy and artilcle?

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Feb 23



I believe that the writer here confuses freedom and privilege. The main difference is that freedom is enjoyed by all, privilege is enjoyed by some. And those who are in the economic-political axis, and that includes Charles Koch, are gaining more privileges as the rest of us lose more freedoms. 

There is a reason why the writer here doesn't recognize the difference between freedom and privilege. It is, IMO, that the writer here reduces all freedom to individual freedom. Such destroys the concept of democracy. For Democracy involves a corporate freedom where society tells its members how they are allowed to treat each other. Yes, Democracies can go too far in making such rules. But reducing all freedom to individual freedom weakens, if not destroys, democracy for the benefit of the privileged. 

The Citizens United decision simply allows those who have the means to enjoy a privilege that others do not have. The Citizens United decision works to replace the 1-person-1-vote system on which our democracy is based with the free market principle of $1-1-vote. Those who object to populism may struggle to see why such a replacement is so abhorent. It is because such a replacement ensures a rule by elites rather than a democratic rule by all.


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To Michael Dever, Voddie Baucham, and Bill Kynes and their podcast discussion of Christians and politics.  This appeared in the Gospel Coalition website.


There are important points to cover here. First, distinguishing being partisan and political in the Church is important especially since politics includes issues of justice and thus morality. So how can one be political without being partisan? It is a matter of the Church being a curmudgeon to all who are in or are seeking power that enables Christians to be political without being partisan. That is because  the Church can speak prophetically when being a curmudgeon and as long as it acts that way to all who are in or seek power, partisanship dissipates.

Also exposing utopias for what they are is another important point. But there is a subtle and sly way of advocating a utopia. That is to brand all attempts to improve the status quo as being utopian. That is because saying that things cannot improve is simply another way of saying that we have a utopia.

Finally the homosexual and same-sex marriage in society issues was brought up. And here, we should note that there is another issue involved besides a doctrinal one. That issue concerns itself with how we will share society with others, not just whether homosexuality is biblical. Of course it isn't, but neither worshiping other God and we allow freedom of religion. So the question regarding laws concerning hmosexuality an same sex marriage becomes whether we will share society with others as equals or will we seek some hierarchical relationsip as being over them.


Wednesday, December 23, 2015

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Dec 17

To Michael J. Svigel and his blogpost on 3 different approaches Christians can take to experiencing the next Star Wars movie. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition website

There is yet another way to look at the different approaches to the movie Star Wars. Either we can be slightly distracted and entertained by the movie while also learning how different kinds of people interact with each other, or we can know more about the Star Wars universe than we do our own immediate world. 

There are two reasons why people pick the latter approach to their knowing Star Wars. The first reason is to exercise the privilege of not being in the kind of need that would demand our attention elsewhere.  The second reason would be to grab as much as we can from the pleasure of escapism because we have succumbed to fatalism. Regardless of the reason, to know more about the Star Wars universe than our own world does not help us to be good stewards of what God has given us as citiizens in a democratic society.

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To Denny Burk and his blogpost on whether liberals are ready for the transgender revolution. This appeared in Denny Burk’s blog.

Why worry about a transgender revolution? Do we expect multitudes of people change?

And it seems that taking someone who wants to be 'transaged' backwards, which is the same as regressing into immaturity,  and trying to equate that with those who want to change genders seems to miss the mark. For as long as we are strongly complementarian in our sexual roles and expectations, people who neither relate to their assigned gender roles or fit in are the only ones who would consider a change in gender. In other words, the more we press a stric complementarianism, the more people with means will resist--though we should mention that there are other less traumatic ways of resisting.

Yes, there is a certain degree of complementarianism that exists according to God's Word. But perhaps we've taken it too far.

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Dec 18

To Derek Rishmawy and his blogpost on the wrong ways, according to him, there are to talk about sin. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition.

Perhaps another way to fool ourselves is to think that we can talk comprehensively about sin. For we see one of two faults in the above ways of talking about sin. One fault is that the talk about sin is correct but is incomplete and/or has errors. The other way is that the talk about sin totally wrong. Regarding the above ways, I would classify the sectarian way as the only way listed above which has no merit. For all it accomplishes is the externalization of evil and thus it puts us and our the groups we belong to into the role of the Pharisee from the parable of the two men praying. 

The other ways listed above of talking about sin has merit and can be placed in conjunction with the other ways of talking about sin. The youth group way has the merit of talking about sin in relation to how we compare with others. The Millennial way has the advantage of recognizing the effects of previous sins and how they affect our lives today. The Mainline way recognizes the corporate sins committed by the groups to which we belong. This way of recognizing sin is overlooked most often by my fellow religiously conservative Christians. The evangelical way forgets how we sin against others either as individuals or in groups, but it is valuable in terms of how we sin against God. 

Thus, we should consider whether the 4 of 5 ways of looking at sin as described above are more incomplete than in error, though error is bound to happen when one's views of sin are incomplete.

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Dec 22

To Collin Hansen and his blogpost on the top 10 theological stories of the year. This appeared in the Gospel Coalition website.

Of course, what is missing from this list of stories include Obama's terrorist use of drones to assassinate people, his fast-tracking of the TPP, NATO's involvement in the Ukraine, the terrorist shooting attack on a Planned Parenthood facility, the increasing wealth disparity in our nation, police brutality, and the Black Lives Matter movement.

There is a common theme around the stories cited is the absence of challenging conservative ideology,  the current political and economic structures along with the refusal to challenge those with wealth and power. Unfortunately, none of these absences provide a surprise to nonChristians outside of conservative political ideological circles. Thus, these absences serve as another reminder that Conservative Christianity is, however unintentionally, acting as a source of indoctrination to maintain the status quo for the benefit of those with wealth and power.

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To Jordan Ballor and his blogpost on the Church’s social responsibilities in opposing injustice. This appeared in the Acton blog.

I've seen others struggle with the distinction between the organic and institutional Church. Tim Keller, for example, states that where individual Christians are working to correct injustices, there the Church is because is where believers are. But such allows the leadership of the Church to remain silent in the presence of society's corporate sins so as to not personally offend those with wealth and power. So as the Church claims to be in place of struggle for social justice through the actions of individuals while not speaking out directly to injustices, the Church is attempting to have its cake and eat it too.



Wednesday, January 21, 2015

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Jan 19

To R. Scott Clark and his blogpost quote of Jonah Goldberg on how underreported  is the percentage of anti-Judaism attacks while the much lower percentage of anti-Muslim attacks merit warnings about an increase in such an attack .This appeared in Heidelblog

Note that the spike in anti-Muslim attacks following the 9-11 terrorist attacks shows that a backlash against Muslims after a terrorist attack is very well possible. The FBI stats following the 2007 London attacks show that such a backlash does not always occur, but because it has happened, it could happen again. 

So what is Goldberg's point? Is it that because of the percentage of anti-Judaism attacks that we should not care about what happens to Muslims? Such a response would be evidence of tribalism. 

To warn against a possible upcoming spike in anti-Muslim hate crimes is not the problem. The problem is the lack of urgency in addressing anti-Semitic and anti-Judaism. To see this in any other way is to play the "victim game."

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Jan 20

To R. Scott Clark and his blogpost of the historical context for the terrorists who attacked Charlie Hebdo. This appeared in Heidelblog.

First, let's realize that Jihad is not a monolith. It is approached in many different ways. But we apply the word as a monolith on those who most violently oppose Western interests. We should add to the non-insanity plea entered above for the Jihadists the same context we could add for the Ayatollah Khoemeini. That is both were directly or indirectly victims of a brutally violent Western imperialism. Thus their extremism just might partially reflect how Western interests have been advanced in their part of the world through Western intervention and strong-armed proxy leaders.

We could apply to the Jihadists in the Paris attacks what journalist Jason Burke says about Al-Qaeda. That all of the impediments that stand in the way of committing such violent terrorism suggests that terrorists are manufactured. And here, he is not stating that they are manufactured by Islam. Rather, he is stating that they are manufactured by the same conditions used by the West to advance their interests. We should note the 'Who's Who'  of those whose brutality in the Orient received Western support. That list includes, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, the current military regime of Egypt, the royal family in Saudi Arabia, the gov't of Bahrain, and the Shah of Iran. And left out of that list is Israel's brutal occupation of the Palestinian Territories.

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To Joseph Sunde and his blogpost on how we are to interact with the world by serving it in order to help it flourish. This appeared in the Acton blog.

Since the message is general in the sense that it could appeal to both sides in the Reformed division between NeoCalvinists and 2 Kingdom advocates and it alludes to the Babylonian exile, it says some useful things in how balance life in exile with a call to serve. 

But we do need to call attention to issues that were glossed over. For example, where Sunde partially quotes the Scriptures in writing:


To seek the good of our neighbors, the flourishing of our cities, and the prospering of the nations across all spheres and through all “modes of operation”: our work, families, education, creativity, political involvement, and so on.

we should note that some prospering of our nearest neighbors includes the exploitation of our farther neighbors. Distance often makes the losses of the latter group invisible to those of us who are myopic. And when that happens, a way of interacting with the world, which was not mentioned in the above post becomes necessary. That way is to speak prophetically to the world regarding its exploitation of others. After all, aren't we already charged by the Great Commission to make disciples throughout the world. And when the those around us, whether they be our immediate neighbors or those with wealth and power who are near and far, practice injustice, then our model for interacting should be the OT prophets who not only spoke to Israel about their sins, they spoke to the neighboring nations as well. And considering that social injustice involves the breaking of the commandments prohibiting murder and theft, then acting as prophets in the face of social injustice should be part of our fulfilling of the Great Commission.

It is the role of acting as a prophet, when governed by and included with being a servant, that more fully illustrates our relationship with the world.

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To Jordan Ballor and his blogpost on Martin Luther King Jr and his approach to law. This appeared in the Acton Blog.

But in his speech about law, King called for strong legislation to address the employment and housing problems just as he called for strong legislation that would address Civil Rights problems. In addition, in his speech, King talked about the intrinsic value of each person. But the free market recognizes only the extrinsic value of each person in terms of the property they can own and what they can do to increase the value of the market itself.

Some like Martin Luther King Jr because of some of the individual statements they can take out and apply. But the real wealth of King's thinking is found in the whole of his thought. It is found in the connections that exist between his approach to legislation and the law, to nonviolence and having the passion to win people over, to his preference for a person-oriented society over a thing-oriented society the last of which emphasizes gadgets, profits, and property rights,  and to racism, poverty and materialism, and war and militarism. Once one starts to see the interconnections of all of the individual parts, one starts to discover the true wealth of King's thinking which cannot be obtained just by studying some individual positions.

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To R. Scott Clark and his blogpost containing a video clip of a minister prohibiting creativity in worship services. This appeared in Heidlelblog.

This is the problem with some Reformed exegesis and preaching. You take an example and perhaps some verses from the OT about worship and then, despite the transition and change in context that occurs in the NT, you use the OT to prohibit or mandate for all time some approach or practice. In the end, what you guarantee is an unnecessary procedural righteousness.

To rule out creativity because God doesn't need it would demand that we rule out our energy or even love because God doesn't need them either. But what is perhaps the biggest problem here is that creativity isn't the real problem, it is tailoring a service to please man for the sake of drawing more people regardless of what we are calling them to. That is the specific problem. One can be creative without doing that. 

Yes, we can also overemphasize creativity so that our worship services are an exercise in self-exaltation. That is a valid concern. But to rule out all creativity in worship because of the OT example and passages used without addressing the tremendous transition in worship which the NT brings, is neither right nor Biblical.




Wednesday, December 18, 2013

Comments Which Conservatives Block From Their Blogs For Dec 18, 2013

This is a new category of posts. It is dedicated to those conservative blogs that have blocked my comments for various reasons. IMO, they have blocked my comments because they don't want their readers reading my criticisms of their conservatism. It is for those blogs that I am creating this new kind of post. This post will be posted on Wednesdays.

Finally, since comments are not edited as well as blogposts, please excuse the grammatical errors that will occur more often with the comments.

Dec 11

To Peter Drucker's short post on the most successful leader of the 20th Century. This post appears on the Imaginative Conservative blog.


Regarding the number of challenges and the way those challenges were met, far superior to Winston Churchill was Martin Luther King Jr. Churchill's leadership was certainly admirable and during a tremendous time of crisis in history. But Churchill's effectiveness was limited to that leading his country through war. We should also note Churchill's attitude towards Gandhi.

In contrast, Martin Luther King Jr not only met war effectively, he gave us a new way to handle conflict and his way is not just more humane, it gives us the best chance at surviving a world where the proliferation of WMDs is inevitable. King's leadership not only accepts Gandhi but teaches us how to interact with people who are less virtuous than Gandhi.

BTW, my apologies to the Imaginative Conservative Blog for listing the above comment as being blocked. I discovered later that it wasn't blocked. This is my fault.

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To Jordan J. Ballor's blogpost about inflation and the minimum wage to be found on the Acton blog


I agree with the basic premise that minimum wage increases would be unnecessary if the price of necessities did not increase. However, the scapegoating of gov't for the problem seems to ignore the fact that the first mover in the seeking of protection from the competitive market are those in the private sector. And in an economy that is fueled by greed and based on competition, we have to ask whether the existence an actual free market is utopian, rather than something to be worked for. 

For decades, bigger companies have socialized costs, a good point made by the person cited in the post but he forgot about, and privatized profits. This is true in the development of computers. For example, gov't would buy enough computers to make the venture profitable in its early days. Why? One possible explanation is that the free market doesn't really work. Another explanation is that because the market runs on greed, every advantage will be sought including those outside the market. Another example is when businesses underpay employees so that these employees must rely on some form of public assistance to get by (for an example, check http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11156)

And to show that the greedy from the private sector can gain even without the gov't's help, then we should look at the impact that food speculation by banks has on the price of food (check http://science.time.com/2012/12/17/betting-on-hunger-is-financial-speculation-to-blame-for-high-food-prices/  and  http://www.wdm.org.uk/food-speculation).

But what is troubling in this article is who is targeted for the control of inflation. For if wage increases by itself was the culprit, then the pay for everyone from the CEO to upper management to mid management to analysts to techies to lowest paid employee would be fair game for controls or a freeze. But that is not the case here. It is only the minimum wage worker who is called on to sacrifice him or herself until the prices of items like food in an age where the market's only ethic is to maximize profits is controlled by the same  market. And of course, the only solution to be found is in the removal gov't intervention.

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Dec 13

To a blog post by Mark Perry on how raising the minimum wage would hurt minority youths because it would also their unemployment rates. This was originally post on AEI blog and they accepted the comment I made below. However the Acton blog reposted it rejected the comment below:

Taking the current assumptions that come with our economy, what this article is asking Blacks first and the others second is, do you want employment with your poverty?

Of course this "law" from Friedman works with certain economies and heaven forbid that we use the statistics here to question whether our current economic system is adequate.

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Dec 15



Certainly Christian privilege isn't what it use to be in this country, but it is still here. So calling what was quoted above, Orwellian, needs explanation. In addition, McKinney's accusation that "Socialists" using the Constitution in this matter in a way they claim to follow the founding fathers needs explanation. Who are the Socialists here? Hillary Clinton? The Obama Administration? Both Socialists and Obama will tell you that Obama is no Socialist but that does not stop some conservatives from using the label as a pejorative.

I am not clear here whether the author thinks that there is Christian privilege in the US but in case anyone doubts if it still exists, note how the religions of Obama, Romney, and Ellison are scrutinized while the religion of others like McCain, Kerry, and Bush were not during their campaigns. That shows Christian privilege. And it seems to me that what some Christians want to do is to use their advantages to rule, in some degree, over America. And, as Jon Stewart pointed out, they tend to call resistance to their control, "persecution." This prompts the question, Who is Orwellian now?

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Dec 16


To a blog post on the Gospel Coalition's Blog. The post was by Trillia Newbell on how anyone can show hospitality 

Everybody can show hospitality and all too many times it is those who have less who, out of empathy, show more warmth and hospitality than those who have more. But the fact that we can show hospitality with less should never distract us from demanding that things change so those who have less can have more and those who have more will keep less.

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To a blog post on the Imaginative Conservative's blog. The post was written by Stephen Klugewicz declaring that conservatives from the West were the only ones promoting workable virtues in the world


This post is nothing more than self-flattery. For if you know the sinful nature of people, how is that conservatives, unlike all others, have escaped sin's clutches? Do we need to point Reagan's history in Central America or alliances with both Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? Or was all of that evidence that conservatives don't believe in utopias?

And how is it that those on the Left are dismissed for seeking utopias when nobody I read on the Left expects a utopia? Is thinking that we can do better utopian? For if it is, then conservatives are declaring their hypothesis to be fact fact, that we can't improve on whatever they set their minds to.

Is is more dangerous or narcissistic that conservatives, as described in this post, externalize evil as they attribute to themselves to be the only ones who hold to principles whether or not those principles can be realized. And all of this occurs while they declare to  those on the Left to stop seeking utopias because it is dangerous. 

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to Joe Carter's blog post on the Gospel Coalition's blog about a court ruling regarding one man's multiple partner with whom he cohabited. 

This post seems more like one favors jumping to conclusions because of a past decision. We should note that we are not dealing with someone who is actually legally married to multiple spouses but one who has declared himself to be in union. 

What we need to consider is Paul's attitude toward the person whom he had to discipline for sexual sins. Paul's concern (I Cor 5) was not the sexual mores of society, it was the integrity of the Church. Noting that we do have different historical contexts between then and now, we still have to ask ourselves if the reputation of the Gospel is threatened when we make laws that result in society becoming a supplemental disciplinary arm of the Church? For that was the issue with the Lawrence decision. And what if we relied solely on evangelism rather than legislation when it comes to influencing society's sexual mores?


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Dec 17

To a video on the Gospel Coalition Blog. The video talked about to whom we should minister to and where we should plant churches. A comparison was made between youth ministries that focus on key-kids first and building city ministries first.


I have two comments here. First, I very much related to the remarks about ministry to "key-kids" first in hopes of getting others to follow because of past volunteer work in Young Life. But when we examine that in the light of the scriptures such as when Paul talks about the kind of people who belonged to the Church then, we have reason to review that approach because it seems to deny the fact that God was calling the weak and foolish to shame the strong wise and because of what was said in the video as well as it was showing preference. So how much more should we examine that approach when it serves as an analogy to how we show preference in evangelizing the cities first because they are like society's key-kids.

Second, we tend to look down on people from different backgrounds than our own. It is true economically, culturally, racially, and even nationally. Martin Luther King Jr talked about the arrogance of the West thinking that it has everything to teach other parts of the world and nothing to learn. And without exposure to people from different backgrounds, we will be tempted to have that attitude toward people from rural areas if we are urban or from the suburbs and vice-versa. Such an attitude can hurt the desire to minister to and start churches more in rural areas because most people live in the cities and suburbs.

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To  R.J. Moeller and his article on Free Enterprise, limited government and man's depravity. Here, Moeller made the comment that every Christian who is to the left of Milton Friedman on economics is in sin.


Isn't saying anyone living to the left of oneself is living in sin simply an externalization of sin? And isn't the externalization of sin a denial of our human depravity?

And don't simple statements, like the one Reagan made about socialism, worthy of examination? 

Finally, doesn't a system that allows those who can make the most money autonomous the system that requires heaven to really work while remaining just?