Sunday, June 17, 2012
The Silent March To End Stop And Frisk In NYC
On Father's Day, a coalition of groups performed a silent march to help end the Stop & Frisk policies practiced by the NYPD. This coalition consisted of groups from different faiths including multiple Islamic and Christian groups, several unions, and several activists groups. Below are some pictures from the march.
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Mr. Day,
Do you support all this? The evil in so-called "racial profiling" is dependent on how you define it. Arresting someone for being black is certainly wrong. Being suspicious of someone for being black is not gracious, but in many instances is justifiable. If a community is half black, and 80% of the crime is committed by black people, wouldn't police, or anyone else, be naturally suspicious of black people? I totally object to the "You can't have Capitalism without Racism." How are capitalism and racism even related?
Tell me in what instance is being suspicious of someone who is Black justifiable?
And instead of dealing with hypotheticals, give me the breakdown of crime stats.
Finally, you can read Malcolm X for why he relates capitalism to racism.
Capitalist,
BTW, I think you missed what is being said by the protesters. When the majority of stops are made on a minority of the population, it demonstrates prejudice.
In addition, did you forget your Constitutional Amendments when writing your comment?
Mr. Day,
I think the majority of stops being made on a minority on the population should have nothing to do with the matter. I think it is logical that the majority of the stops should be done on the people who commit the majority of the crimes, regardless of ethnicity.
What Amendment are you referring to? I think the only one with any relevance is the XV, and it deals with fundamental rights. We are talking about majorities.
Good, then you should have been marching with us. But we need to consider why the majority of those who are stopped & frisked belong to minority groups and why the overwhelming majority of those incarcerated belong to minority groups too. In terms of incarceration, most of them are for marijuana type offenses those stats show that Whites use marijuana just as much.
And for your mystery amendment, it is the 4th.
Mr. Day,
I think one of the reasons why minorities (Blacks in particular) commit more crimes than others is because of the government corrupting them. When the government hands out welfare to anyone, it fosters a dependence on government rather than on God. Since God is the source of true morality, people who are lead away from God will be less moral. For various reasons, I think this is most noticeable when dealing with minorities.
I question your use of statistics. How does anyone collect data like that? How do we know that this is pointing out prejudice rather than simply that the Whites are richer and have better ways of hiding crimes? And finally, a quote from Kevin Swanson: "There are liars. And then there are big liars. And then there are statisticians." Nothing personal to anyone, but when your dealing with numbers your audience doesn't understand or know, it is really easy to make them believe anything you like.
In my comments, I was defending so-called racial profiling. I was not addressing the subject of 'stop-and-frisk' itself. I agree that this is an overreach of government, along with airport security.
First, who said Blacks commit more crime than others? Incarceration numbers do not imply that one group commits more criminal acts than the other. And the reason why there is no implication here is because there are a number of factors that determine incarceration.
Second, how much have you studied the subject and not just by reading people with conservative ideologies? Have you performed a systematic investigation of the subject? Have you interviewed criminals from all races and compiled their answers so that you can analyze real data rather than rely on some ideology that you have yet to prove in the real world/
Third, if you question the statistics, that is fine. Then collect your own first hand. And be willing to admit when your ideology, to which you are highly committed and invested in could be wrong.
Finally, how can you defend racial profiling without, at some point and to some degree, defend racism? And please note that stop & frisk is being implemented in a way that relies on racial profiling.
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